Parents and teachers, this one is for students…
Students, shame hurts. But there are some common ways shaming happens around school, and when we understand how this dynamic shows up, we can RESPOND differently! This is good because we can learn how to NOT internalize it and ultimately feel better now and set ourselves up for a better future.
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Hey, what is up students? Parents and teachers, you’ll want to watch this. But students, I’m making this one for you. My name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach based in Maui and I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that you can have a good life now and have a good future, all those sorts of things. What’s up, students? I got a message for you today. And what I’m going to talk to you about today is called ‘shame.’ Shame. Now some of you might not even think about the word shame ever. You might think, “Why would this even matter to me, Seth? Who cares about this? This doesn’t impact me.” And the thing is that shame, this thing called shame, can be what’s called corrosive. Something that is corrosive eats at something over a long period of time. Something that’s corrosive can make metal rustic, it can corrode it. And shame can be corrosive on us humans. On me, on your parents, on you, on your teachers, on all humans, shame, this thing called shame can be corrosive.
Why am I telling you this? Because the students that I work with often experience shame from adults. The adults, society, culture, parents, teachers, subcultures, they’re not trying to shame you, usually. Usually, it’s very what’s called ‘unconscious’, they don’t even know that they’re doing it. So what sort of students experienced this shame, well the ones that I work with, what is that? Well, the students that I work with, if you’re watching this, you might be able to relate to this. This is the type of student that I was, this is the type of student that I work with day in and day out, usually high school and college students, sometimes even elementary students. But the students that I work with are what’s called resistant. So there’s this thing called executive function, our brain helps us to get things done, to execute. To get our schoolwork done, to do things like that. Well, the students that I work with don’t get a lot of schoolwork done. They struggle with this stuff. So what do they resist? They resist doing homework, they resist their responsibilities or chores or things like that. Sometimes they resist being honest with their parents, or forthcoming with people about what’s going on. They resist using planners, they resist getting organized, organizing things, cleaning things, checking their portals, dealing with emails in their inbox, they might resist reading, but they really resist a lot of things related to school. They don’t want to do it. And the things that we say, that I say when it comes to school, or that I used to say when I was a student, and that really got me in trouble.
But what I used to say is, “I don’t feel like it. I got this homework to do. I don’t feel like it. It’s too overwhelming. Why do I have to do this? This is stupid. Why should I care about such and such topic? I’m never going to use this.” And then I might say to my parents, “Why don’t you just trust me? Get off my back. I’ll do it later. Leave me alone. I’ve got this. I promise. I stopped being so annoying. I know. I turned it in. I swear I turned it in. I promise I turned it in. I remember turning it in. You can ask the teacher if I turned it in!” Well, actually, I wouldn’t want them to even talk to the teacher. But then it turns out, “I didn’t turn it in. I found it at the bottom of my backpack.” And I might say, you know, blame the teacher on things, say the teacher lost it. Anyhow, all of these things that I would say were designed for me to resist. To be resistant. To resist doing my schoolwork and stuff like that. Well, that can be fine, except that the more I get out of school, the reality is, and of course, there are teachers that weren’t my favorite teachers or subjects I didn’t like, but the more I got out of my education, the more opportunities I had in life.
So what is this about anyway? I’m talking about shame. Shame, shame. What do these things have to do with shame? Well, when you struggle with these things, when you are resistant to these things, the adults in our lives, make stories to explain why you’re resistant. And those stories might come at you and tell you the following messages. The stories that adults say might convey to you the following messages. These were messages that I heard as a young person, and the messages were things like this: “Seth, you’re lazy, you’re unmotivated. Just motivate yourself. You’re not trying hard enough. You need to try harder. You’re just undisciplined. You don’t seem to care about school, why don’t you care?” And I felt very misunderstood by those messages. So those messages tend to shame us. They shame us. They don’t help us to change. They just feel bad. Because the message is, “I’m just choosing to be lazy. There’s something wrong with me. I’m broken. I’m just unmotivated. I’m just undisciplined. I just don’t try hard enough. I just don’t care.” And those things are misunderstandings. They don’t understand the big picture.
Well, what’s the problem with that when it comes to shame? You know, you might experience these things. Well, what’s the problem with those messages if you’re feeling those messages coming to you? The problem with those messages that I want to really convey to you is this. You and I, we can do what’s called ‘internalize’ these messages. We can internalize these messages. What does that mean? Well, when we hear a message like “You’re lazy, you’re unmotivated. You don’t try hard enough,” we can internalize it, and think bad things about us like, “I’m bad. I’m a bad person. I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. There’s something wrong with me, I’m broken. I’m not smart, I’m stupid, I’m dumb, I just can’t do anything right.” And so it starts with the messages, the shaming messages, then we can internalize the shame and turn it against us, ourselves. And when we internalize those shaming messages, we start to say things like, “It’s too hard and I can’t do this and I give up.”
I don’t want you to ever give up. Sorry, “Alexa off,” I’d set a timer. I don’t want you to ever give up on yourself or the things. But the shame can be really what’s called ‘daunting’. It can feel big and heavy, and it can be unmotivating to try harder when it feels like we’ve tried so hard, and we’re not getting anywhere. And then we’re getting these messages that we need to even try harder. And we think that anything we do is not good enough. So it can be very daunting. Don’t give up. NEGU. N-E-G-U. Never, Ever Give Up. So what do we do about it, though? We don’t just think, “Oh, I don’t want to have that shame feeling, I just decide it’s not there anymore.” That’s called stuffing your feelings, and stuffing your feelings is never healthy. We find unhealthy ways to stuff our feelings and that doesn’t work. But what we can do is what’s called our own deep inner work. And this is where I’m talking to parents and teachers too. If there are parents and teachers watching, so students some of the parents and teachers are watching this, what I’m hoping is that they’re going to really hear this message. So sometimes parents and teachers do this and they don’t intend to. They were a student, a kid just like you. They were right where you’re at, but they are not anymore. As we become grownups, we change and we forget what it was like. But when adults, and when you, and when I do the following thing it can help. When we do our own deep inner work. What does that mean?
If you do your own deep inner work, meaning look at what makes you tick, what your thoughts are all about. Your emotions, look at yourself. Really be compassionate and empathetic with other people. When we learn to do our own deep inner work and work on ourselves, do what’s called self-development, we have the opportunity to respond differently in situations rather than be what’s called ‘reactive’. So reactive means that when we feel shamed, we just react. “I can’t do it. I’m stupid, this is stupid. I hate this. Get off my back, leave me alone. I’m just lazy, I’m just a failure.” When we react, we just do it instantly and there’s not a lot of thought. But when we respond, when we do our work on ourselves and work on who we are, work on journaling, or getting a counselor, or reading books to develop ourselves, or things like this. When we work on ourselves and do our own deep inner work to get the truth about ourselves, we can respond rather than react. We can respond to what’s called ‘consciously’ or with ‘intention,’ or mindfully. So we can respond with awareness rather than blinders on. We can respond with self-awareness so that we can have better responses for ourselves. But also our responses help us make more of an impact in the world. Because you, literally, you are the future. You are either going to contribute to the future of this world and making it a better place, every day we have an opportunity to do that, or not.
You have a lot of power as a human being to do whatever you want. So the things that matter to you, and that you’re interested in, and passionate about, or curious about, or even the things that you’re angry about, that tells you what your passions are. Because if you’re angry, for example, about how animals are treated, or climate change, or certain things, that actually can tell you something you’re passionate about. But the more we can do our deep inner work, the more we can respond rather than react. This means the more you can have a better life for yourself, and the more of an impact you get to make in your life.
Again, my name is Seth Perler. I’m an executive function coach, I help struggling students navigate this thing called education so that you can have a better life now, and a better future. I wish you the best this year. I hope it’s filled with peace and joy. I hope that any shame that you experience you can move through and learn from and not internalize and do your own deep inner work to see how crazy awesome you are and how much you matter. Take care. Oh, all the things. If you like what I’m doing, share it right now; leave a comment below. What do you think of this video? What was one thought that came into your head while you’re listening to this? Give it a like and the thumbs up and stuff like that. If you like what I’m doing, please support my work. Take care.
Cheri says
What are some positive responses for not telling the truth or the excuses?
Ted Willman says
Seth, thanks for sharing. I have a 2e son who is a sophomore in high school. It just so happens to be the high school where I am the principal. With that being said, my wife and I have difficulties having conversations with him. One of my school aids along with a couple of other teachers is doing a brief professional development with our staff tomorrow about EF. I am passing the video along to my son in hopes that he watches it. Again, it’s coming from dad.
Again, thanks for all you do. I enjoy the site and videos. Keep up the great work.
Allie says
Thank you for your hard work and research! I wish more teachers would do the internal work before they teach students, especially boys. I wish colleges required it in their programs, and it was part of the internship of every educational program. I am a former primary educator who sees what the teachers in my son’s district need, but have a hard time conveying his needs without sounding like I’m educating them (because I am, because I have to advocate for my son). Also, I’m exhausted doing this for every new teacher who doesn’t get it. I trusted all teachers until my son went to school. Most middle and some high school teachers and staff still use humiliation as a discipline method, and shame mostly the boys, any of them, the gifted, the twice exceptional ones because they don’t understand the boys’ behavior or even know what executive function is or how the brain learns. They also are the ones weak on classroom management skills who choose to blame the kids. We had a principal do this in 6th grade. He had a Blue Ribbon school! Shame has affected my son’s GPA in some cases! This should never happen. How can we help teachers and counselors understand the damage they are doing? I feel like emailing this to a few select teachers and counselors with the hope they will stop hurting children. It’s hard to sit by and watch it continue. What guidance would you give parents (and teachers with children in school) who have to deal with these uneducated teachers, counselors, and whole staff, district-wide? Where to start?! My son will graduate before the staff in our small town could ever be educated. This started in preschool at age 3,P with certified educators, and peaked in middle school. It’s disheartening, and the reason I chose to not work in our school district once a I learned the reality of the situation. How would I get anyone at the top to listen? All educators should be required to do ongoing education on topics like this. My staff in Colorado did, but the standards are much lower in SC in the number one school district. Ongoing Ed should be required if we truly care about children. I really wish public school (and private) was done with the EF in mind. I know teachers care, but shaming has to stop. It’s harmful and changes lives. It is a likely a cause of teen suicide and school shootings. It’s not ok, so again, THANK YOU, Seth, for sharing this topic! Not every child has a parent who can help or knows what to do to scrape up the pieces to influence his or her child’s resilience after the harm another adult has done.
Diane says
I have an 8 year old son and what you write here really resonated with me. I have advocated fiercely for him and it pains me that each year it’s a different teacher that I have to go through challenges with. I agree, it seems most teachers could be better educated to support a wider variety of learners, but the bottom line is, I find they have some of the very traits they are trying to change in my son: inflexible, reactionary, impulsive, distracted, etc. So, what do we do about it? I’m sitting here on the bottom of a hill looking up! I’m hoping for that one teacher that makes a difference and really helps him see his strengths rather than always trying to fix his challenge areas. An example: His strong subject is math, and he’s quite advanced in that, but sometimes, depending on his mood at the time, he reacts to the complexity of a word problem and says it’s too hard (executive functioning, planning issue rather than actual math, can do it once regulated), the teacher reacts and helps him, frustratingly, and it turns into a negative. In reality, seeing first hand with remote schooling, he’s one of the strongest in terms of math sense in his class! There should be NO negatives towards him about math, in fact, his example should be used to support some of the struggling students in that area! The lazy way out is to complain to the kid or shame them, it’s much harder to dig through their barriers and reveal those golden nuggets. I think teachers are too stressed and have very little time. Even with all good intentions, they’re not regulated enough to execute either!
Krista says
This resonated with me. I unintentionally shamed my boy with the “you’re just not trying hard enough.” I didn’t think this would cause shame but would rather mke him try. The whole resistance that you mention to school and not doing anything because, “I don’t feel like it” and “trust me I turned it in, etc.,” was spot on. So, what are alternative motivators?
I played the video so he could listen, however I think he was resistant to truly hearing the message. I apologized afterwards for the shaming, and he told me it’s ok, he was used to it, and he gets it more often at school than home. This made me sad and I think back now, to his grade 1 teacher who was strict and not emotionally involved with her students. I am guessing she may have used shame back then. I’ve been trying to figure out when and why he lost his joy.
Seth says
Thanks for this Krista – it’s so common. If there’s good to come of it, the sadness is a motivator to dive deeper and be aware. The alternatives are all throughout my site/youtube/work, but one of the best is noticing the positive 3x more than the “negative”, the 3:1 rule, comment on his effort, notice everything he does positive 3x as much as the energy you put into the other – this is a short comment, but that’s the gist
Bill Green says
I repeatedly say to my sixth grade student, “Attitude is Everything”. This is my reaction to his constant negativity about school, homework , violin practice, chores or anything that gets in the way of his having fun. Any thoughts or advice? Thanks.
Seth says
Hi Bill, My first thought is: how to you change the frame so you aren’t the one giving advice with “attitude is everything” but ASK your child about the negative statements with curiosity: “wow, tell me more”, “What makes you think that?”, “Do you want to hear what I do when my brain tells me things like that?”, “That sounds hard, how can I be helpful?” And things that put the power on your child to come up with solutions. Note, this takes a long time bc they are not used to this dynamic.
Marjorie Preston says
Hi Seth,
I really enjoy your videos. They are always informative and helpful, and in ten minutes and not 60; it’s important because parents are so busy, now more than ever.
I am glad to hear from you on this and I think parents need to scaffold as their kids grow, and it’s so easy to try to fall into controlling behavior because when kids are little, they don’t have any sense and we get in the habit of rescuing or being didactic.
As kids of the 70s, our parents were hands off most of the time but spanked for certain disobedience and expected complete obedience at times, so anything approaching a partnership is very new to us. (We have never spanked, for the record. It is all about shame and fear, which doesn’t motivate, so at least we got that right.) As our kids grow up, we definitely need to notice the positive, understand the kids may be doing the best they can and ask how we can support them.
The new line my daughter, age 13, uses about virtual school is, “It’s not real school.” But fortunately, she knows that we expect her to do all her schoolwork, not to ace it all but to complete it, in order to play video games or watch YouTube. We don’t use control but we do have consequences. So she does it.
With my younger one, age 7, scaffolding needs to happen more, as he can get distracted in the middle of a task. But even at his young age, he appreciates praise, breaking problems into parts and trusting him and backing off whenever I can.
Anyone raising a child class of 2020 or later, I have immense respect for. This has not been easy and if you’re reading this, you’re above and beyond for seeking out advice in the middle of it all.
Thanks again, Seth. Your advice is priceless. Can’t wait for your next video to come out and for the summit.